Robert Griffin III injury news

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Here is the latest from Mike Shanahan's press conference on Monday afternoon (http://www.dcprosportsreport.com/washington-redskins/extent-of-robert-griffin-iii-s-knee-injury-is-unclear.html).

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Here is my quick and cynical view of Shanny's presser:

1] Not good that he mentioned Adrian Peterson by name;
2] The MRI was very bad and he'd prefer to send RG3 to Alabama for a couple of days so tempers cool before the bad news comes out.

[PennSkinsFan]

Yup. Let's just hope RG3 recover as quickly as AP.

Looks like the importance of taking Kirk Cousins in the fourth round.

[SkinsGuru]

i watched the press conference too . . . sounds like the acl (one he injured in college) and lcl (the existing injury) to me with dr andrews to see how bad, especially with the acl as it sounds as tough its to do with the previous injury, so maybe the graft is coming apart . . . that can be real hard to determine via mri and i wouldn't be surprised if the checkup wasn't a quick exploratory orthopedic procedure to actually look at the ligaments . . . MCL or PCL damage would have been very visible as those haven't been damaged before . . . so what are the chances the MRI after the Ravens game showed stuff regarding the ACL they thought was just there from the old injury and in reality the graft was already coming apart?? seems that the knee was FAR worse than a mild grade one lcl sprain . . . or maybe because they rushed him back it kept getting worse instead of better . . . but this injury was not dealt with right at all!!!

[Seafin77]

Shanahan's credibility is shot, (not that it wasn't already) so I don't know what we can say about this. I think it is some kind of ligament tear and it's a safe bet RG3 is lost for next season. I hope for the best, but it looked bad on the film so what else can you say?

S.

[SkinsGuru]

Shanahan's credibility is shot, (not that it wasn't already) so I don't know what we can say about this. I think it is some kind of ligament tear and it's a safe bet RG3 is lost for next season. I hope for the best, but it looked bad on the film so what else can you say?

S.

i don't think that will be the case at all . . . AP came back from a last game of the season complete ACL/MCL tears and seemed to be just fine . . . from everything i've read . . . see this from the washington post: (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/01/07/robert-griffin-iii-has-partial-tears-of-acl-and-lcl-mri-suggests/) . . . according to that article, people with knowledge are saying partial tears of the acl and lcl . . . partial tears mean grade 2 to 3 injury . . . the reason for doubt is that the previous acl injury maybe covering up something new in the acl . . . expect exploratory surgery to see for sure (in the next couple of day probably) . . . i expect surgery, but not completely blown, definitely not a complete tear in either ligament or there would be no questions as to the extent of the injury . . . he will be back next year as long as he takes his time during rehab and has no set backs . . .


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[PennSkinsFan]

The interesting thing to keep an eye on is the whole Shanahan thing and whether anything comes from it. I doubt it, but worth it to keep an eye on.

[Seafin77]

i don't think that will be the case at all . . . AP came back from a last game of the season complete ACL/MCL tears and seemed to be just fine . . . from everything i've read . . . see this from the washington post: (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/01/07/robert-griffin-iii-has-partial-tears-of-acl-and-lcl-mri-suggests/) . . . according to that article, people with knowledge are saying partial tears of the acl and lcl . . . partial tears mean grade 2 to 3 injury . . . the reason for doubt is that the previous acl injury maybe covering up something new in the acl . . . expect exploratory surgery to see for sure (in the next couple of day probably) . . . i expect surgery, but not completely blown, definitely not a complete tear in either ligament or there would be no questions as to the extent of the injury . . . he will be back next year as long as he takes his time during rehab and has no set backs . . .


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I hope you are right but he isn't Adrian Peterson, and this is his second injury to that knee. Hard to say because the picture isn't clear yet, (or Shanahan is spin doctoring and keeping the real bad news for later) but I wouldn't bet on him for much of next season. Right now there is no one associated with this mess that has a shred of credibility and I am just PISSED. They should have sat him for a month and let him heal. I never liked seeing him out there with that stupid brace. Right now the doc is changing his story too, so it's a MESS.
The surgeon who operated on Griffin the first time said it was a real struggle to slow him down and get him to do a proper rehab, so that has to be considered as well. I'm leaving this one alone, it's time.

S.

[PennSkinsFan]

RG3 will undergo surgery this week to repair a torn LCL. At the time he is in surgery, the ACL will be examined. Dr. James Andrews said that he expects the same RG3 to return next season.

[SkinsGuru]

Adam Schefter on RGIII and his upcoming surgery . . . watch the video . . .

Source (ESPN): (http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8826706/robert-griffin-iii-washington-redskins-expected-lcl-surgery-week-according-source)

sounds to me like they don't see a new tear in the ACL but are uncertain if the graft from the first reconstruction surgery he had in college is still ok or if it is failing and needs to be rebuilt . . . hopefully we'll find out soon enough . . . one good thing is there must not be a ton of swelling or they would have to hold off further on the surgery and they are doing it this week . . .

[jporterweb]

Breaking news on ESPN right now that RG3 needs full reconstructive surgery on his right knee. Dr. Andrews believes he will however be ready for the start of the 2013 season.

[Seafin77]

Sounds like : "We don't know anything yet, we haven't looked inside the knee but he'll be ready for next season" LOL! There is no logic to that.

And truthfully they won't know much for sure when they open up the knee either,. So I'd check back in July and see.

S.

[Seafin77]

Another thing is that we seem to be hearing a tale of two MRI's. After his original injury in the Ravens game Mike Shanahan had this to say of the first MRI: "Shanahan said Griffin’s reconstructed ACL “looks great” and that there’s “no problem there.” So that was clear as a bell. Now consider Shanahan's remarks on the most recent MRI: "“Any time you do have a former ACL injury, or an LCL, and you look at this MRI, sometimes it’s old injuries,” Shanahan said. “That’s why he’s going to fly down there to see Dr. Andrews, get some new MRIs, get a physical examination.”

So how come the first one was clear as could be and suddenly the second one is not?

S.

[jporterweb]

The interesting thing to keep an eye on is the whole Shanahan thing and whether anything comes from it. I doubt it, but worth it to keep an eye on.

If you're talking about what Dr. Andrews said, he did clarify it and say that neither lied. He didn't get the chance to examine RG3 because RG3 wouldn't let him and just ran back in. Shanny looked over to Dr. Andrews and put up his hand assuming since he was still running that he was "ok". So Shanny told the truth and Dr. Andrews told the truth.

[SkinsGuru]

If you're talking about what Dr. Andrews said, he did clarify it and say that neither lied. He didn't get the chance to examine RG3 because RG3 wouldn't let him and just ran back in. Shanny looked over to Dr. Andrews and put up his hand assuming since he was still running that he was "ok". So Shanny told the truth and Dr. Andrews told the truth.

the NFLPA announced yesterday they were going to investigate the handling of RGIII's injury . . . stay tuned . . . :) . . . nothing will come of it anyway, except the possibility of procedural changes in the rules . . .

[Seafin77]

the NFLPA announced yesterday they were going to investigate the handling of RGIII's injury . . . stay tuned . . . :) . . . nothing will come of it anyway, except the possibility of procedural changes in the rules . . .

I think Andrews' "clarification" is just a cover. That's some encouraging news about the NFLPA. I hope the NFLPA makes a lot of noise about it, there needs to be accountability here. Not that we will get any but it's not an issue that should just go away.

S.

[headballcoach12]

Once again, Shannahan proves to everyone why he should not be the leader of the Skins. He has made bad decision after bad decision since he has been here. The only great thing he did was draft Alfred Morris. I really cant say drafting RGIII because we really cant tell what Griffin will show up over the next couple of years. PLEASE some one get him out of town. Thank Gosh we have have Davey Johnson, because the coaching here is terrible.

[SkinsGuru]

Once again, Shannahan proves to everyone why he should not be the leader of the Skins. He has made bad decision after bad decision since he has been here. The only great thing he did was draft Alfred Morris. I really cant say drafting RGIII because we really cant tell what Griffin will show up over the next couple of years. PLEASE some one get him out of town. Thank Gosh we have have Davey Johnson, because the coaching here is terrible.

First off, WELCOME TO DCPSR!! . . . I am not sure what to think regarding Shanny . . . i think he did a great job with the team this year, but not sure how i feel about the way he handled RGIII's injury . . . the thing is a LOT of players play injured and hurt . . . that's part of the NFL . . . but i also agree with those that say he should have been more careful with RGIII due to all that was given up to get him and how much he means to the future of the franchise . . . tough call . . . i broke my leg in a pickup game when i was 15 and kept playing on it even though i couldn't barely move . . . but that was the competitor in me not wanting to give in or give up . . .

[headballcoach12]

Thanks! I really understand the competitor in Griffin. As a head coach its your duties to oversea your team in every aspect. When you have an investment like that, you must take every precaution there is. Im sorry, but I rather have had a healthy qb going into next year and taking my chances with Cousins.

[Seafin77]

Once again, Shannahan proves to everyone why he should not be the leader of the Skins. He has made bad decision after bad decision since he has been here. The only great thing he did was draft Alfred Morris. I really cant say drafting RGIII because we really cant tell what Griffin will show up over the next couple of years. PLEASE some one get him out of town. Thank Gosh we have have Davey Johnson, because the coaching here is terrible.

Welcome and I agree with you. I do give Shanahan credit for some things (Alfred Morris, Kirk Cousins, and a clever offensive strategy for this year) but this thing is just mind boggling STUPID. What's worse he won't take the responsibility for it. We've seen Kyle play that card too. I think he is just past it, it's time to play golf or get a desk job. He failed the team hugely. I think Snyder will keep him though but more things like this are likely to happen. If RG3 doesn't come back at full strength then Shanahan will get roasted more, and the more I think about it the more I see the old "curse" of Dan Snyder is still with us. In fact, when you look at Redskin history it's only the first Joe Gibbs era in which the team was consistently competitive. Before that period and after that, it isn't much to brag about. I've been a Skins fan since I was a kid in 1965. I even remember Gary Beban! (He won the Heisman in 1967 and came to the Skins but never really developed or maybe was mishandled). I just hope RG3 recovers fully.

S.

[PennSkinsFan]

Once again, Shannahan proves to everyone why he should not be the leader of the Skins. He has made bad decision after bad decision since he has been here. The only great thing he did was draft Alfred Morris. I really cant say drafting RGIII because we really cant tell what Griffin will show up over the next couple of years. PLEASE some one get him out of town. Thank Gosh we have have Davey Johnson, because the coaching here is terrible.

Welcome to DCPSR! Glad to have you here and look forward to more posts.

I am one of those on the fence with Shanny. I love the youth movement he started lae last season. He is turning this franchise around. What I don't appreciate is the lies from Redskins Park that seem to have become more prevalent under Shanahan. Not sure what on believe on RG3 injury reports are the DR cleared RG3 4 times during Seattle game. That seems to be supported by the fact the NFLPA has chosen to not pursue any investigation.

[headballcoach12]

Thanks! Yeah its kind of skeptical of what is going on. To be honest I was a redskin fan from the day I was born until two years ago. I am not a firm believer in neither Shannahan. I think Mike is a greater drafter, but far as head coach, no way! The change in offense this year really didnt make any sense. I mean Griffin was 5th in the nation last year in Passing yards. The kid can throw. Why not put him in a pro style offense with the same play variables like they did with Cousins when he started against Cleveland. I think Kyle saw speed first, arm second. Far as the Skins as a whole, they have great potential. I cant wait to see Merriweather and Orakpo back next year.

[PennSkinsFan]

Thanks! Yeah its kind of skeptical of what is going on. To be honest I was a redskin fan from the day I was born until two years ago. I am not a firm believer in neither Shannahan. I think Mike is a greater drafter, but far as head coach, no way! The change in offense this year really didnt make any sense. I mean Griffin was 5th in the nation last year in Passing yards. The kid can throw. Why not put him in a pro style offense with the same play variables like they did with Cousins when he started against Cleveland. I think Kyle saw speed first, arm second. Far as the Skins as a whole, they have great potential. I cant wait to see Merriweather and Orakpo back next year.

I think after the injury, they are going to have to be more conservative with RG3. Not saying that because of the injury per se, but more so, it is the NFL. It is hard hitting. To have RG3 stay healthy, they need to curtail,the running. It was fun to watch. But, it isn't a sustaining offense in the NFL.

[SkinsGuru]

Thanks! Yeah its kind of skeptical of what is going on. To be honest I was a redskin fan from the day I was born until two years ago. I am not a firm believer in neither Shannahan. I think Mike is a greater drafter, but far as head coach, no way! The change in offense this year really didnt make any sense. I mean Griffin was 5th in the nation last year in Passing yards. The kid can throw. Why not put him in a pro style offense with the same play variables like they did with Cousins when he started against Cleveland. I think Kyle saw speed first, arm second. Far as the Skins as a whole, they have great potential. I cant wait to see Merriweather and Orakpo back next year.

i really think the offense was designed to make year 1 work . . . Allow him to do the things he is comfortable at and can excel at without having to think too much while he learns more and more of the playbook . . . i also think that the pistol will be here for a while, but that the read option players were supposed to get used less and less often . .. and i think they did . . .that being said, the offense worked great this year, so i would keep the threat of the read option plays, that means you have to use it some, just less often . . . and even when running it can decide to run less often . . . BUT, the biggest thing that has to change to keep RGIII healthy is RGIII . . . he has to learn to slide earlier and get out of bounds more quickly instead of worrying about getting that extra yard . . . his injuries came on drop back passes while scrambling and could have easily been avoided if he had just got down (against the ravens) or out of bounds (against atlanta) . . .

[Seafin77]

Unfortunately, it's not as simple as getting him to slide or having him run less. 70% of ACL injuries are NOT the result of collisions. ACL tears happen most often when players are making quick cuts, stopping short, planting a foot too hard, in short, any movement that puts too much stress on the knee can do it. In fact, Griffin's tear of the ACL in 2009 during the Northwestern game when he was at Baylor was not the result of contact but when he trying to avoid a collision: " During a game against Northwestern State on Sept. 26, 2009, Griffin, then a sophomore at Baylor, "ran a speed option play" on fourth down, " I ran out to the right [and] tried to cut inside of a safety that was flying down pretty fast."
"As soon as I planted my foot, there was a little snap in my knee," he said."

He does have to protect himself better and he does have to forget about running the football for the most part but that won't mean the end of his risk. And you have to consider that for every knee surgery that you have the risk of further injuries to that knee simply increases. If they rush him through rehab for the sake of getting him back too early for next year that will be a huge mistake, and RG3 is just the kind of player who may try to do that.

http://www.sportsmed.gr/en/ligament/

S.

[SkinsGuru]

Interesting . . . Dr. Andrews injected stem cells into the injured area of RGIII's knee . . .

Source (HogsHaven): (http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/1/23/3899538/rg3-injury-robert-griffin-iii-redskins-dr-james-andrews)


For the past three years, however, Andrews has been experimenting with a new strategy. "Stem cells," he says. "What we call biologics. They're on their way, and that will be a transformational event." Very quietly -- "We don't advertise it," Andrews says, "and we don't want to sensationalize it" -- he and his colleagues at clinics in Birmingham, Ala., and Gulf Breeze, Fla., have been performing stem cell injections on professional athletes. He won't name names, but Andrews has mostly employed stem cells in the deteriorated knees of football players, and virtually all of them have reported significant decreases in pain and inflammation. "It's early," he says, "but the results have been remarkable."

very interesting for sure . . . hopefully RGIII allow Dr. Andrews to continue to use the term remarkable when discussing how the stem cells helped speed his recovery!!